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The Jackpod: America as a dual state

caption:  Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents escort a detained immigrant into an elevator after he exited an immigration courtroom, June 17, 2025, in New York. (AP Photo/Olga Fedorova, file)
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Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents escort a detained immigrant into an elevator after he exited an immigration courtroom, June 17, 2025, in New York. (AP Photo/Olga Fedorova, file)
AP Photo/Olga Fedorova, file

On Point news analyst Jack Beatty on the division between the normative state and the prerogative state and the role that could be playing in the U.S. today.

This article was originally published on WBUR.org.

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